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Post by TANNAR on Dec 4, 2013 14:36:23 GMT
So I'm pretty new to the battling scene (and by that, I mean PSS, lol) and I don't really know where to start in terms of building a team. I know I've heard several things around, like having a standard fire-water-grass core or terms like "tank" and "sweeper," but are these things necessary for having a team that can do well? Should I center my team around a specific Pokemon or weather state? Or has weather been so nerfed that it's no longer very useful in Gen VI? Might be getting ahead of myself, though.
So first question: How would I start building a team?
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Post by Dude on Dec 4, 2013 15:13:23 GMT
For me personally, I always use Pokemon that I love, and then build around that. But for starts, find out what types you are going to use to give yourself the most coverage. Also, look at what you want to lead with. Do you want to set up entry hazards? (Stealth Rocks, Spikes, etc.) Or do you want to set up a a Baton Passer to boost your teammates stats? It's all up to you and don't be afraid to try out many different combinations!!
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Post by TANNAR on Dec 4, 2013 15:25:07 GMT
Alrighty, I always thought that the lead-off was typically a fast attacker. But entry-hazard teammates should probably be somewhat bulky, correct?
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Post by swampert12894 on Dec 4, 2013 16:28:25 GMT
It's probably useful to have at least one flying type or Levitating Pokemon due to the ammount of Spikes, Toxis Spikes, and Earthquake that you will see. For your Pokemon that have actual attacks, have at least 2 in both physical and special. That way, Physical-only walls won't doom you if you only have physical attackers, and vice-versa for Special walls/sweepers. If you're doing PSS, where you pick 3/4 Pokemon out of six on your team, it would be a good idea to have 2 Pokemon that can Mega Evolve, so that your opponent won't see everything coming that you might have to offer. If standard competitive battling, one or two megas would be nice to have. Don't have ALL/ONLY sweepers. (A.k.a., don't have only Pokemon with good attack/sp. atk and speed, but can't defend worth jack.). At least one wall would okay.
These are personally the things I check for on my teams. I normally only battle on random Wi-Fi battles. I'm not super-competitive. (I hate Poke-Gen and having to get my Pokemon to Lv. 100.) I'm not really a fan of entry hazards. If you want to use my tips, feel free. These are just the things I've used to win a decent amount of Wi-Fi battles, and ALL of my IRL battles...well except one friend I have is always a step ahead of me...
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Post by TANNAR on Dec 4, 2013 18:14:45 GMT
Okay, so: - Two physical attackers
- Two special attackers
- At least one wall
- Lead-off
I've decided I want to use Aerodactyl, so that counts as a physical attacker, plus a possible Mega evolution. And I like using my Aegislash as a wall. I've thought about using Gigalith as the lead-off for Stealth Rocks, too. Will having two Rock types put me in a big disadvantage?
Now in terms of the other attackers, does type have more of an effect on who I should choose, or should I not really worry about that and just focus on having diverse move sets?
And another question: is there possibly any online documentation for getting started that's relatively easy to read?
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Post by GoJosh on Dec 4, 2013 19:07:18 GMT
SIX MAGIKARPS. I'm not into competitive battling myself, team builds, OU, Uber, tiers, all that nonsense is gibberish to me. But I found this video for you bud!
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Post by Dude on Dec 4, 2013 23:01:40 GMT
Watch the video Josh just posted. Also, check out Shofu's guide on YouTube, I found that really helpful
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Post by swampert12894 on Dec 5, 2013 0:34:42 GMT
Okay, so: - Two physical attackers
- Two special attackers
- At least one wall
- Lead-off
I've decided I want to use Aerodactyl, so that counts as a physical attacker, plus a possible Mega evolution. And I like using my Aegislash as a wall. I've thought about using Gigalith as the lead-off for Stealth Rocks, too. Will having two Rock types put me in a big disadvantage?
Now in terms of the other attackers, does type have more of an effect on who I should choose, or should I not really worry about that and just focus on having diverse move sets?
And another question: is there possibly any online documentation for getting started that's relatively easy to read?
Two Pokemon sharing a type or two isn't a bad thing, unless they are both super vulnerable to the same thing. In the case of Aerodactyl and Gigalith, they will both suffer from special water type moves. But since neither are in the OU tier, and Drizzle got nerfed, you might not need to worry about that so much, unless you're using PSS against someone who still likes weather.. Considering Gigalith has Sturdy and great Physical Defense, it won't suffer anything else that Aerodactyl might suffer from. Also, your lead-off doesn't necessarily need to be in a separate category from the other things you mentioned. And when I initially said two Pokemon of each type of attack, I meant at least two Pokemon on your team should have at least one Special Attack, and the same for Physical attack. All 4 of them don't need to be sweepers. If that means a wall like Forretress having as simple as 3 status moves and a move like Gyro Ball or Bug Bite, then so be it. Maybe that's not the ideal way to use Forretress, but I'm just giving a scenario. While on the topic of Forretress, he can act as a physical attacker, a wall, (it has massive physical defense,) and he has access to both spikes and toxic spikes, as well as Rapid Spin. So if you want to lead of with a Pokemon that has entry hazards, a Pokemon like that would be an option. (And for the record, Rapid Spin shouldn't count as a physical move, considering its base 20 power.) As for Pokemon solely dedicated to attacking, just once again make sure they both won't get destroyed by Earthquake, Stone Edge, or other common threats/high power moves that are used often by opponents. For example, having both Weaville and Excadrill as sweepers may not be ideal, since both are vulnerable to fighting type moves and have low defenses. If you go in with something like that, be prepared to counter fighting types, like using a Chople Berry and/or having many Pokemon that can resist that type. (Ghost, Psychic, and Fairy Pokemon.) In this sense, it's okay to have these two Pokemon, but know what risk you might be taking if you are not properly suited for the situation. That's all I have for now. I probably wore you down from all of this anyways. XD
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Post by TANNAR on Dec 5, 2013 5:20:59 GMT
Oh, wow, this is a bunch of info! Thanks guys, so much! Pretty tired right now, but I'll look at all this tomorrow, watch the videos, search for this Shofu fellow, and ponder all the words. =] Hopefully I'll have a better grasp of all this soon and be battling some of you guys. ^-^
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Post by swampert12894 on Dec 5, 2013 16:54:05 GMT
Oh, wow, this is a bunch of info! Thanks guys, so much! Pretty tired right now, but I'll look at all this tomorrow, watch the videos, search for this Shofu fellow, and ponder all the words. =] Hopefully I'll have a better grasp of all this soon and be battling some of you guys. ^-^ I'm glad you found my information helpful! :) Also, one other thing I thought I should mention. You should probably not have 4 or more Pokemon on your team that are vulnerable to a similar type, no matter what defenses they might have. But I assume you could think of that yourself, considering what I told you about Weaville and Excadrill. And from what I saw you say earlier, you know how to set up a team with degree move typings. Having one move of each type is by no means required, especially since that alone is hard to accomplish with the type of Pokemon that have to cover each area, but at least don't have around 7 types that troubles against the same type. (Having only 1 or 2 of your attacks being effective against Steel isn't a good idea.) All I've told might be a lot to take in, and may seem like it limits what you can have on a team, but with over 700 Pokemon, I think it's clear to see there are MANY options. It just goes to show how complex and well-done Pokemon really is in comparison with other RPGs. Except Gen I. That's broken.
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Post by TANNAR on Dec 5, 2013 18:49:21 GMT
Having only 1 or 2 of your attacks being effective against Steel isn't a good idea. Steel is a pretty common type in the competitive realm? It's pretty good defensively and they mostly all have pretty good stats, yeah? And there's nothing unbalanced about Gen I! Psychic types were especially balanced! :3 Hopefully I'll have some time tonight to sit down, watch that video, and plan out a good team, lol. Still leaning towards Gigalith and Aerodactyl, but I have no idea for the rest. Definitely not another Rock-type, haha. Maybe Gardevoir. Or Gengar. Or Alakazam.
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Post by Dude on Dec 5, 2013 18:54:39 GMT
When you get your team together, message me so we can try out our competitive squads against each other!
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Post by TANNAR on Dec 5, 2013 19:07:16 GMT
When you get your team together, message me so we can try out our competitive squads against each other! Alrighty, I will! Might be forever since I'll have to train everything up, but one day, sir, you shall be challenged! ^-^
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Post by Dude on Dec 5, 2013 19:09:41 GMT
I'll be waiting, I won't hold back!
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Post by swampert12894 on Dec 6, 2013 0:58:17 GMT
Having only 1 or 2 of your attacks being effective against Steel isn't a good idea. Steel is a pretty common type in the competitive realm? It's pretty good defensively and they mostly all have pretty good stats, yeah? And there's nothing unbalanced about Gen I! Psychic types were especially balanced! :3 Steel isn't the most used type, besides the slew of great Bug-Steel types that are OU. It's just that they resist so many types. In gen V, only 2 types, Electric and Water, were normally effective, and only Fire, Fighting, and Ground were super effective. It was the only type that resisted Dragon, 10 other types were weak against it, and Poison didn't affect it, making it ever so more useless. The only disadvantage to using steel was that it didn't the greatest or many moves to choose from. And it was only strong against Rock and Ice, both of which were also vulnerable to Fighting. Also on somewhat of the flip-side is that the only 2 mono steel types in Gen IV were Registeel, a legendary, and Mawile, who was rivals with the oh-so special Sabeleye. Most Steel were duel types, meaning they had to worry about their other types having additional weaknesses. Thanks to improved mechanics in Gen VI, Steel and poison now have more use with Fairy types, but now both Ghost and Dark are no longer weak against steel, but rather normally effective. (Poor Bronzong, Metagross, and Aegisslash. :'( ) Now that my further glorifying of Pokemon's mechanics is over... Steel can still resist 10 types, plus ignore Poison. And most Steel types are defensive to boot. In fact most of the best physical walls or highest defensively ranked Pokemon are Steel types, including Bastiodon, Probopass, Steelix, Skarmory, the aforementioned Forretress, and Aggron, who now has a mega evolution. The only Steel type that I can think of that doesn't have good defenses is Excadrill. With that being said, you'd be a fool to not bring at least Pokemon that won't have trouble with these types. Two, if possible, is recommended by many battlers. Especially if you are fighting against Sandstorm, which gives Special Defensive boost. I would imagine the most-used type would be either Fire, Water, or Dragon. Although maybe not in Gen VI for obvious reasons...
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