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Post by Lotad on Feb 8, 2014 23:29:03 GMT
For those of you who don't know what PokeGen is, PokeGen is a program that is used to hack pokemon which can be sent over to 4th gen - 5th gen, that's all really :P Please leave your reason to why you think PokeGen is a no or a yes. I honestly don't have a problem with PokeGen if it is used to create pokemon for the Dex or legal competetive pokemon, the only difference is time, and i'm really impatient so i use PokeGen alot for my teams now with PokeBank being released.
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Post by E.T. on Feb 8, 2014 23:58:03 GMT
In my opinion, if you don't want to invest the time (or just don't have the time) to build a team, you should just stick to battle simulators. Hacking in Pokemon is extremely unfair to the people who play the game the way that it was meant to be played because of that time difference that you mentioned. Team building is a part of the game just as much as battling. Of course team building is not nearly as fun, and it does take a long time, but I don't think that anyone should hack the game just to skip over the team building part.
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Post by Lotad on Feb 9, 2014 0:04:10 GMT
In my opinion, if you don't want to invest the time (or just don't have the time) to build a team, you should just stick to battle simulators. Hacking in Pokemon is extremely unfair to the people who play the game the way that it was meant to be played because of that time difference that you mentioned. Team building is a part of the game just as much as battling. Of course team building is not nearly as fun, and it does take a long time, but I don't think that anyone should hack the game just to skip over the team building part. how is it unfair? unless you hack pokemon to have stats that are higher than it can be (which isnt possible in XY because pokebank will pick up on it), then it's dumb, but if the hacked pokemon is just as strong as any other of its kind then i dont see a problem in skipping houndreds of hours by hacking them.
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Post by Rayquaza on Feb 9, 2014 0:04:40 GMT
I've never used PokeGen and I don't ever intend to and I think it's just a way for lazy people to get ahead of people that have worked a lot. I wont hold it against you if you use it but I don't think you should do it. It's very unfair to people who are playing the game right.
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Post by E.T. on Feb 9, 2014 0:15:34 GMT
In my opinion, if you don't want to invest the time (or just don't have the time) to build a team, you should just stick to battle simulators. Hacking in Pokemon is extremely unfair to the people who play the game the way that it was meant to be played because of that time difference that you mentioned. Team building is a part of the game just as much as battling. Of course team building is not nearly as fun, and it does take a long time, but I don't think that anyone should hack the game just to skip over the team building part. how is it unfair? unless you hack pokemon to have stats that are higher than it can be (which isnt possible in XY because pokebank will pick up on it), then it's dumb, but if the hacked pokemon is just as strong as any other of its kind then i dont see a problem in skipping houndreds of hours by hacking them. This is exactly why it is unfair. If I don't hack, maybe I don't have hundreds of hours to spend building a team, so I can't build it. Think about all of the interaction between players that has been facilitated by the need to acquire "the parts" for a perfect team or complete the Pokedex. If everyone hacked, there would be no need to trade with anybody anymore. There would just be battles with perfect Pokemon just like a battle simulator. There are teams that I will not build because I just don't have the time. In my opinion, if I would not build the team by the normal rules, it would not be fair for me to bypass the normal rules through hacking to build the team.
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Post by Professor Lewis on Feb 9, 2014 4:46:30 GMT
Hmmm, this is a tricky one, but I had to vote yes, but there is no real right or wrong answer to this, it's purely a matter of moral standpoint:
If all the Pokémon in the game are legitimate then really it dose not matter where the Pokémon come from. It's about what you're doing with them in that game.
But at the same time I agree if you were battling someone who didn't know about Gen, it might be considered unfair that your Pokémon are considered perfect, but then you must admit if you were playing a player who knew nothing of EV's, wouldn't that be unfair too? Then it could even go onto playing a player who doesn't know the type chart, it could go on and on really.
Yet I also must admit, during the time where X and Y was fresh and you had to construct and makes teams by hand I still think that was pretty fun and I did enjoy a scene where you knew every Pokémon was built from the ground up. I think what made it so fun was that it was actually do-able in Gen 6, in a way there isn't even a need for PokeGen anymore as I can make PokeGen-like Pokémon in the game itself!
So overall: I enjoyed Gen when it was more needed, and I don't think anyone I personally played minded it, so we all had a great time! Like Pokemon Stadium or something like that!
But I also must add I feel E.T. in the above post focuses more in "hacking in general" rather than PokeBank, yet at the same time I think if you need a Meloetta or some other Pokemon that people are just going to offer for a "Level 12 or under Zekrom" then you might aswell just hack the event...
My need for trading is pretty slim anyway, I feel like it's more of a personal thing to do with friends, and there's rarely anything a random could offer me that I want anyway, but that's just my opinion.
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Post by E.T. on Feb 9, 2014 5:29:20 GMT
But at the same time I agree if you were battling someone who didn't know about Gen, it might be considered unfair that your Pokémon are considered perfect, but then you must admit if you were playing a player who knew nothing of EV's, wouldn't that be unfair too? Then it could even go onto playing a player who doesn't know the type chart, it could go on and on really. EVs and typing are a part of the game, so not knowing about these topics is a matter of skill level which is a different issue.
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Post by Leader on Feb 9, 2014 11:15:11 GMT
An obvious yay really. I understand that before Pokémon Bank was released, many many players and battlers both invested many hours of their time into breeding Pokémon, and trying to fill their Poké Dex as much as they can. That was all fine and dandy, but still unfair to those who didn't have the free time to invest into creating their teams for battling.
If given the shortcut to get any Pokémon you want, how you want, why the hell wouldn't you? It's a program available to everyone, with no restrictions, so it really is fair Saying no is stupid really.
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Post by ryannewton11 on Feb 9, 2014 15:50:54 GMT
I dont mind people using pokegen... what annoys me is when people cheat in 6 perfect IV shinies and say its legit.... i spend hours trying to hunt for shinies and some people spent like 2 minuite creating one on their pc.
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Post by Professor Lewis on Feb 9, 2014 18:24:28 GMT
But at the same time I agree if you were battling someone who didn't know about Gen, it might be considered unfair that your Pokémon are considered perfect, but then you must admit if you were playing a player who knew nothing of EV's, wouldn't that be unfair too? Then it could even go onto playing a player who doesn't know the type chart, it could go on and on really. EVs and typing are a part of the game, so not knowing about these topics is a matter of skill level which is a different issue. There is why I said it comes down to a moral standpoint. As I feel if you're going to play with someone and complain that the method of how they got their Pokemon us unfair, you could at least be nice enough to tell who your playing "Hey, go fight some Wingull for more speed, that's why my Snorlax is outspeeding everything". People will just see that differently though, there is no real right or wrong to this, it's just where you stand and even just who you're battling with. I think it should also be noted: When I have random battles with people my first thought is never "I wonder where this Pokemon come from", it's always focused on the battle itself. If the player was clearly cheating (like a pokemon with 999 Evs and Stats or something) Then yeah, that's cheating, but if it all checks out legit, I have no problem and I don't look into it. I see both sides of it though, it can also be classed as unsportsmanlike to use Gen, but it's something so minor to me I can overshadow it.
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Post by Rayquaza on Feb 10, 2014 1:11:00 GMT
Using PokeGen is basically saying that you're a lazy unsportsmanlike person that doesn't support the way the game is supposed to be played (no offense to any of you guys). It's not technically cheating and I guess it's not unfair if everyone has access to it but I still think that it's very unsportsmanlike since GameFreak didn't intend it to be used for competitive battling.
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Post by Professor Lewis on Feb 10, 2014 13:32:55 GMT
I think ryannewton11's and Leader's posts both show my point well.
I think as long as you're honest about where your team has come from (that is, if it's even brought up) and it isn't an issue with the player, then fair play. If people challenge you randomly also, I think you got to be able to expect that here and there too, I mean people wont all be playing "strict OU" when challenged randomly, sometimes you get a team of legendaries and just have to deal with it!
I personally think the competitive part of the game is the battles, not how you get the Pokemon. You can battle with a Pokemon you got in a trade, but that isn't classed as "cheating".
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Post by Jirachi on Feb 10, 2014 15:23:13 GMT
I gen plenty. I wasn't for it last gen but this gen a lot has changed. I'm a bit older, I have two jobs and college. I really do enjoy breeding and training, but I just don't have the time for it anymore. I love to battle though, and by genning I am capable of making plenty of teams to test out.
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Post by Betashadow1 on Feb 10, 2014 21:33:56 GMT
I dont mind people using pokegen... what annoys me is when people cheat in 6 perfect IV shinies and say its legit.... i spend hours trying to hunt for shinies and some people spent like 2 minuite creating one on their pc. You basically said what I think, I don't mind just as long as you don't make 6IV shinys :)
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Post by silver on Feb 15, 2014 22:58:23 GMT
I voted yay. I've only used it to get a 6iv shiny english ditto (i have a japanese 3ds) but I have no problems playing against a pokegen team as long as it's "legit" (with XY it always will be)
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